's budget improving after governor scott walker rolled back the power. and toby, which state has it right? >> and i'm looking at the numbers here. and my gosh, wisconsin, they're not that far apart. i don't know if you know the geography there. >> thank you, toby. >> and number one, and any way you measure it, unemployment rate, the debt, the way that they-- the taxes have gone up, by dropping rate and they're the quintessential state like the mind warp. and somehow michigan's gone into a time warp and just gb back to the 1960's, we're going to do great here or maybe through the 1990's, i don't know. but wisconsin up. michigan needs a brain check. >> brenda: what do you think, susan? >> well, i think michigan is looking at what happened in wisconsin and is saying, we don't want to see the rights of our workers stripped away by the whim after politician and toby, when you look at the wisconsin budget and pick apart what they did to close the gap, the majority of it was cuts in education, which is a real shame when you think of wisconsin has one of the best public school systems in the nati
